1 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:06,140 "If your photos aren't good enough, 2 00:00:06,580 --> 00:00:10,540 that's because you weren't close enough." 3 00:01:56,660 --> 00:02:03,540 WAR PHOTOGRAPHER 4 00:02:57,980 --> 00:03:01,380 He is a mystery to me. 5 00:03:01,820 --> 00:03:03,220 I don't know 6 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:06,700 why he is the way he is. 7 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:15,340 He is someone extremely lonely. 8 00:03:16,980 --> 00:03:19,460 But maybe you have to be 9 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:22,100 to work so well 10 00:03:22,780 --> 00:03:26,900 and give as much of yourself. 11 00:03:29,060 --> 00:03:32,180 It's hard to handle the attention, 12 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:36,620 emotion and energy in work. 13 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:40,500 You have to be totally focused. 14 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:45,020 And he is. 15 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:09,860 There's not enough emotion, I find. 16 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:12,140 The bottom one is better, 17 00:07:12,580 --> 00:07:14,660 with these people crying the dead. 18 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:18,660 There you go, this one in duplicate page. - Okay. 19 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:21,380 It gives off distress incredible. 20 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:23,820 What would also work well is 21 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:26,380 this man alone in the streets in ruins. 22 00:07:26,820 --> 00:07:28,500 It would go well in the series. 23 00:07:28,940 --> 00:07:30,540 The craziest, in Goma, 24 00:07:30,980 --> 00:07:32,820 it was these million refugees, 25 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:34,780 with thousands of deaths 26 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:36,940 that could not be buried. 27 00:07:37,380 --> 00:07:39,660 With these mountains of corpses... - Ah, 28 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:42,660 yes, the mountains of corpses... 29 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:45,700 It's great! We have them here, the dead. 30 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:47,780 OK, agreed. 31 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:51,660 It's really great. 32 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:54,180 So, let's take this one again. 33 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:56,460 We should make it bigger, yes. 34 00:07:56,900 --> 00:08:00,180 This one too is a great one photo. 35 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:03,060 The one with the corpses in the truck. 36 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:07,100 We would enlarge it, to put it here. 37 00:08:35,820 --> 00:08:37,660 Can we see clearly 38 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:40,460 that these corpses are not in Africa? 39 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:42,900 It's not about the corpses, 40 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:44,940 you have to show the wheelbarrow. 41 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:46,980 There, we have the impression 42 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:50,100 that it's a series about Africa. 43 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:52,180 While his idea, 44 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:54,740 it's the horror in the world. 45 00:08:55,820 --> 00:08:58,580 We take a close-up with this one from the top. 46 00:08:59,020 --> 00:09:02,220 Then we put the head, which makes it great. 47 00:09:03,180 --> 00:09:06,460 So. And then we look the result. 48 00:10:12,260 --> 00:10:15,180 Comma... After the fall of the Wall, 49 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:18,140 wars are no longer those of countries, 50 00:10:18,580 --> 00:10:21,060 but wars between peoples. 51 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:28,260 Instead of ultra-modern weapons, 52 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:30,620 rifles and machetes... 53 00:10:31,060 --> 00:10:32,660 James Nachtwey, 54 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:35,420 the most famous photographer of war, 55 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:38,180 knew, better than anyone, illustrate 56 00:10:38,620 --> 00:10:41,020 these new conflicts and their victims. 57 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:47,060 How many villagers have disappeared, 58 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:49,180 and how many were killed? 59 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:51,980 Twelve. 60 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:55,140 Could we go to the village? 61 00:12:53,420 --> 00:12:55,540 My son has arrived! 62 00:12:59,020 --> 00:13:00,940 Oh, my son! 63 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:12,460 I decided to become photographer 64 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:16,580 to be a war photographer. 65 00:15:17,020 --> 00:15:21,020 It was in the early 70s, 66 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:24,140 during the Vietnam War. 67 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:29,980 Images of Vietnam showed us 68 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:33,820 what was really happening there. 69 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:38,500 They contradicted the speech 70 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:43,260 political leaders and military. 71 00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:47,700 They were direct images, true, 72 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:50,220 who denounced the war 73 00:15:50,660 --> 00:15:53,460 in all its injustice and his cruelty, 74 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:57,900 showing what was happening over there. 75 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:07,980 These photos shocked me. 76 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:12,220 I then decided to dedicate my life 77 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:16,660 to pursue this objective. 78 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:24,820 It took me a long time to 79 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:28,220 feel enough sure of me 80 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:32,100 to do this work. Before you try 81 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:34,980 to convince other people, 82 00:16:35,420 --> 00:16:38,180 I had to convince myself myself. 83 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:46,220 In 1980, 84 00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:50,500 one night I suddenly realized 85 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:54,020 that I had nothing left to learn, 86 00:16:54,460 --> 00:16:56,140 that I now had to 87 00:16:56,580 --> 00:17:00,380 try my luck in New York to become 88 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:02,740 war photographer. 89 00:17:08,540 --> 00:17:10,620 I felt ready to leave 90 00:17:11,060 --> 00:17:13,620 abroad, in countries war. 91 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:17,620 I immediately got contracts. 92 00:17:23,660 --> 00:17:27,700 It was a turbulent time, exciting. 93 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:31,620 I was a witness to history. 94 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:36,180 Not from an academic point of view, 95 00:17:37,340 --> 00:17:38,740 nor at a distance, 96 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:41,780 but witness what people normal 97 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:44,300 live throughout history. 98 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:48,580 These experiences were worth it, 99 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:52,380 that's what motivated me in this profession. 100 00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:55,700 This is exactly what I was looking for. 101 00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:07,860 And then it involved a danger. 102 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:11,140 There was an adventure side, 103 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:14,500 I had to face danger, 104 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:20,980 feel real emotions people. 105 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:32,500 It was a bit like the theater, 106 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:36,060 except I was on stage and that 107 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:40,740 the piece was written gradually measurement. 108 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:43,980 We had to understand, anticipate 109 00:18:44,420 --> 00:18:47,100 and also identify yourself, on an emotional level 110 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:50,780 as an intellectual, to events 111 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:53,740 to be able to understand them. 112 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:56,780 I had to learn 113 00:18:58,020 --> 00:19:02,780 to develop a vision personal, 114 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:07,100 to express my feelings. 115 00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:11,860 And for that, I had to know them. 116 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,220 Through photography, imaging, 117 00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:18,820 I learned to discover the world, 118 00:19:19,260 --> 00:19:21,660 and to discover myself. 119 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:39,660 We have masks. 120 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,460 But only because of the smell. 121 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:44,900 I don't need a mask. 122 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,740 There are a hundred bodies in there. 123 00:20:56,540 --> 00:20:58,100 There are also the 124 00:20:58,540 --> 00:21:02,220 legal experts and anthropologists, 125 00:21:02,660 --> 00:21:04,420 they will introduce themselves. 126 00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:07,580 We would like that you pass by there. 127 00:21:08,020 --> 00:21:11,180 It smells very bad, get ready. 128 00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:14,620 There is a room with traces shooting. 129 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:17,540 I beg you not to take photos, 130 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:21,060 because she is not yet available. 131 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,620 What do the gunshot marks prove? 132 00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:28,020 Only gunshots were shot here. 133 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:30,900 They say they matter the heads... 134 00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:35,300 An anthropologist collects and sorts the bones. 135 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:40,340 What time is it? Ah OK. 136 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,260 Do you have a mask? - Useless. 137 00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:56,060 It's pretty horrible. 138 00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:03,180 O.K.? THANKS. - Take your time. 139 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,180 I came to journalism by chance. 140 00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:45,060 By choosing this profession, 141 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,340 I thought: I'm going to have fun! 142 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:52,700 Being a correspondent abroad, it's cool! 143 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:56,620 Travel, see the world, participate! 144 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:02,420 Oh, the cow... 145 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:11,900 But then you see some events 146 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,780 that make you think: 147 00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:17,420 what am I doing here and why? 148 00:23:17,860 --> 00:23:20,940 They make you realize how much 149 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,780 This is all serious and important. 150 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:26,620 The way 151 00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:29,140 of which you describe an event 152 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:32,140 determines how the world will see it. 153 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:35,860 So it’s about doing it well! 154 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,820 I am convinced of it. 155 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:42,460 Even today, people say, 156 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:45,500 even when they see mass graves... 157 00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:52,420 Even then, they still want doubt. 158 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:04,540 Someone just threw flowers! 159 00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:08,460 There, behind you! 160 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:31,060 I said: “My brother is deaf and dumb!” 161 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,940 But they brought it down of the truck, 162 00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:36,860 took the money, and they killed him. 163 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,380 To my other brother, they cut 164 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:43,540 the arm with a bread knife. 165 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:48,900 To my uncle, they wanted to snatch 166 00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:51,420 the son of arms, but he didn't give up. 167 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:54,300 They shot him in the head, 168 00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:57,660 the child fell to the ground. 169 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:02,780 To me they gave me two minutes, 170 00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:05,340 and put a gun to his throat. 171 00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:08,020 They wanted money. 172 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:26,020 In a war, 173 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:31,820 normal rules of behavior 174 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:34,020 are no longer valid. 175 00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:44,020 In "normal" life, we can't imagine 176 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:46,940 to enter a house 177 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:51,980 where the family mourns a person loved, 178 00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:59,220 and make a whole series of photos. 179 00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:01,980 This is absolutely unthinkable. 180 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:07,140 I can't take these photos 181 00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:11,140 that because these people accept me. 182 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:13,220 It is impossible 183 00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:16,180 to photograph such moments 184 00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:20,020 without the complicity of people in question. 185 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:24,100 Without them wanting to welcome me 186 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:27,780 and accept that I am there, with them. 187 00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:31,820 They understand 188 00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:34,460 that stranger to the camera 189 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,940 show the world what happens to them. 190 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,700 It gives them a voice to the outside world, 191 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:44,940 that they wouldn't have otherwise. 192 00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:49,940 They know they are victims 193 00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:53,740 of a kind of injustice, 194 00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:56,780 gratuitous violence. 195 00:28:58,420 --> 00:29:00,620 By leaving me photograph them, 196 00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:04,300 they launch their own appeal to the world, 197 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:07,580 to our common sense of good and evil. 198 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:14,780 I want to approach them with respect, 199 00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:19,540 show them that I respect them, them, 200 00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:22,820 and also their situation. 201 00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:27,620 I try not to make myself notice, 202 00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:30,220 to speak softly. 203 00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:34,020 I want to approach them in one way open, 204 00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:36,940 and also be sincere towards myself. 205 00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:40,020 And I want them to feel it. 206 00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:42,620 And they actually feel it! 207 00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:45,900 We only need very little of words. 208 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:23,140 Some war photographers 209 00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:25,660 manage to overcome the horror 210 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:29,460 of everything they have seen and experienced, 211 00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,420 the horror to which they have escaped, 212 00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:35,620 like for example in Vietnam... 213 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:38,540 going to the brothel with the soldiers, 214 00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:41,940 or at the bar, drinking whiskey with them... 215 00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:45,380 Others become cynical. 216 00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:48,700 Jim is not at all. It is as much 217 00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:51,700 more remarkable than most people 218 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:54,660 have not seen so much misery than him. 219 00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:01,660 He's a loner because... 220 00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:07,940 his experience made him break away 221 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:11,100 his colleagues, and many others. 222 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:13,460 He became another man 223 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,180 because of what he experienced for 25 years. 224 00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:29,460 The situation the most incredible 225 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:35,100 I have never lived, it was in Rwanda. 226 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:38,420 We don't know exactly 227 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:40,740 how much, but we estimate that there was 228 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:43,220 between half and a million of deaths. 229 00:31:43,660 --> 00:31:46,380 Killed with primitive weapons: 230 00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:51,060 sticks, stones, machetes, 231 00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:53,900 by confronting each other face to face. 232 00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:58,940 I saw massacres to perpetrate, 233 00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:03,940 and I don't understand how people 234 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,620 can inflict such things. 235 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:32,980 Where does this fear come from? this hatred? 236 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:37,620 This is beyond my understanding. 237 00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:40,300 It is difficult to overcome this. 238 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:49,500 When the Hutus were defeated, 239 00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:55,220 they fled by the hundreds of thousands 240 00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:58,300 in Tanzania or Zaire, neighboring countries. 241 00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:07,220 A cholera epidemic declared herself 242 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:09,860 in the refugee camp from Goma. 243 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:15,660 Tens of thousands are dead. 244 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,580 I understood 245 00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:22,220 than those I photographed There 246 00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:25,700 were surely those that I had seen 247 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:28,660 commit massacres previously. 248 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,260 I had the feeling 249 00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:37,180 to take the elevator for hell. 250 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,300 While we were talking of these horrors 251 00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:01,420 to better understand the scope... 252 00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:04,380 this hell, these mountains corpses, 253 00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:07,340 these people who were dying, vomited, 254 00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:09,820 these endless lines waiting 255 00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:12,020 in front of the treatment tents... 256 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,700 Jim said almost nothing. 257 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:18,460 He said hello, talked about work, 258 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,020 then: “I’m going to bed.” 259 00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:24,180 While we were drinking beer 260 00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:27,020 to give us images of the day, 261 00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:30,220 Jim was drinking mineral water or two, 262 00:34:30,660 --> 00:34:33,860 went to bed early and the next day, 263 00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,860 very early in the morning, he left alone. 264 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:36,020 I started documenting poverty, 265 00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:39,820 very widespread in Indonesia. 266 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:42,220 There is terrible poverty there. 267 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:47,460 These people have a job, a family, 268 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:50,460 It’s a workers’ neighborhood. 269 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:57,220 And this is where they end by landing. 270 00:36:58,540 --> 00:37:00,780 Along the tracks. 271 00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:17,700 They are neither drugged, nor asocial, 272 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:21,060 they work and raise children. 273 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:22,540 People from the countryside 274 00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:24,580 who wanted to live better 275 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,900 and can't afford anything else housing. 276 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:31,820 They built themselves huts wooden 277 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:35,260 where they don't have to pay rent. 278 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:12,540 Good morning. - Hello Sir. 279 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,180 Good morning. 280 00:38:35,940 --> 00:38:38,700 During this report, I discovered a 281 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:41,820 man with only one leg and an arm. 282 00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:46,460 He was hit by a train, 283 00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:49,460 a night when he had drunk too much. 284 00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:53,540 He lives with his wife and her 4 children 285 00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:56,860 on the gravel, between the rails. 286 00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:07,460 He treats his children with love and they 287 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,620 are nice to him. 288 00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:13,140 He does what he can for his family. 289 00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:18,140 I spent some time 290 00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:20,780 to document their lives. 291 00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:48,340 The 80s are for me 292 00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:52,540 those of my move to New York. 293 00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:55,860 I was a photo editor at GEO, 294 00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:58,460 I had worked for SPIEGEL before. 295 00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:02,420 I was able, as as photo manager, 296 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:06,780 go to the office of STERN in New York. 297 00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:10,100 It was in 1982. 298 00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:13,020 This is where, for the first time, 299 00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:16,100 Jim Nachtwey, a portfolio under the arm, 300 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:20,180 came to the editorial office of STERN. 301 00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:24,060 That was the start of our friendship. 302 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:27,940 Of our love story. 303 00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:35,100 We both had 304 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:38,500 a precise idea of what should 305 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:42,100 result from this situation New York. 306 00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:44,860 Nachtwey wanted to make himself a name. 307 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:48,340 He was extremely wise, 308 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:51,140 very decided, 309 00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:54,900 focused on what he wanted to do. 310 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:59,140 The trajectory was well traced, 311 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:02,500 there was no path tortuous. 312 00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:05,740 There was a straight road, 313 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:08,940 well laid out, narrow and stony, 314 00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:11,660 which he had chosen to take. 315 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,940 Of course, I sometimes wish I had 316 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,660 a warmer relationship, intense. 317 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:30,180 But his work came first. 318 00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:34,020 I will get there. 319 00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:37,300 With photography. With my pictures, 320 00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:40,540 I will convince people. 321 00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,140 Nachtwey was returning from Nicaragua. 322 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:11,220 He was relaxed, happy. 323 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:18,700 He brought me a necklace shells, 324 00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,140 put it around my neck, 325 00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:24,860 and I found it wonderful. 326 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,860 I remember our first meeting. 327 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:44,340 His hair was parted, his jeans 328 00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:47,660 was ironed, the shirt very clean. 329 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,500 In the middle of this chaos therefore stood 330 00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,260 this man that I had never seen, 331 00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,420 and took his photos. He was calm, 332 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:58,860 unlike the others. 333 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:01,580 When suddenly, next to him, 334 00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:03,460 photographer Ken Oosterbroek 335 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:05,900 fell, killed by a bullet. 336 00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:19,460 It happens in two kinds of journalists: 337 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,300 First the beginners and then, those 338 00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:26,060 who have been doing this since too long 339 00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:29,740 and who then think they are “bulletproof”. 340 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,820 Jim runs the risk of believing that he is 341 00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:35,980 "bulletproof" and wanting, maybe 342 00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:39,140 once too many times, try luck. 343 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:44,500 The very reserved man that he is needed 344 00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:48,380 on this exciting, adventurous side, 345 00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:51,420 emotions and fear to die 346 00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:53,860 to feel truly alive. 347 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:56,540 Jim gives his best himself 348 00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:59,020 in extreme situations. 349 00:46:01,140 --> 00:46:03,620 Going beyond the limits... 350 00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:06,460 That's it... Again and again, 351 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:08,780 he pushes the limits. 352 00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:13,620 It's hard... Very, very hard. 353 00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:23,220 It is very difficult, with Nachtwey, 354 00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:25,740 to talk about situations, insane, 355 00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:27,900 from which he has already escaped. 356 00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:30,980 Some journalists unbearable 357 00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:34,500 by telling what they have lived. 358 00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:39,340 Him, we have to tell him the worms of the nose. 359 00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:44,340 We must ask him to talk about it. Nachtwey 360 00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:47,500 especially does not want to give printing 361 00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:50,980 to want to value oneself, to boast. 362 00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:03,580 When he returned from a report, 363 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:07,540 I wanted to catch it like this, 364 00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:10,780 to tell him: “Tell me, what was it like?” 365 00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:13,380 No, it was first necessary to develop 366 00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:15,380 and look at the photos. 367 00:47:17,740 --> 00:47:19,740 I don't know how he does it, 368 00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:22,500 where does he put it all... 369 00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:25,860 Because even all these images that he brings back 370 00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,620 represent only a tiny part 371 00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:32,660 of what he saw, smelled, felt 372 00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,940 and heard... 373 00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:39,020 He has his own library 374 00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:41,460 pain in the head. 375 00:47:53,820 --> 00:47:55,580 What did you think? 376 00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,860 Are you sure you don't want to talk about it? 377 00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:29,620 Many children work 378 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:32,700 at the landfill near Jakarta. 379 00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:37,540 Instead of going to school, 380 00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:41,540 they spend the day in the garbage. 381 00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:04,220 The stench is terrible. 382 00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:08,820 The ground is such that it looks like a quagmire. 383 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:14,140 I have rubber boots, 384 00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:17,740 they wear sandals plastic. 385 00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:23,660 It's incredible 386 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:27,340 that people are forced to work thus, 387 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:30,180 just to win 388 00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:33,060 some 85 cents a day. 389 00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:41,220 I studied poverty in a Country 390 00:50:41,660 --> 00:50:44,460 that we celebrated these last years 391 00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,220 for its economic renewal. 392 00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:51,460 In reality, this revival did not benefit 393 00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,420 only a small part of the population. 394 00:50:54,860 --> 00:50:58,860 There is in fact an immutable, a huge 395 00:50:59,740 --> 00:51:01,620 anonymous mass of people 396 00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:04,020 living in incredible poverty. 397 00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:06,420 This is what I discovered there. 398 00:51:10,540 --> 00:51:12,540 I was 399 00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:16,300 very impressed, almost shocked 400 00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:20,260 by the incredible emotion raised 401 00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,460 by the resignation of Soharto. 402 00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,700 I wanted to know the causes, 403 00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:32,100 understand what could have provoke 404 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:36,420 such an explosion of feelings 405 00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:39,500 among so many people. 406 00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:43,460 I think they felt released 407 00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,780 of a weight, that of the repression. 408 00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:50,300 It was the hope of equality social 409 00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:52,700 and economic, which we refused 410 00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:55,660 to so many people, for so many of years. 411 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:55,780 Angie? Hi, it's Des. Are you doing well ? 412 00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:59,020 My mother hates my job. 413 00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:03,620 She expects at any moment to a call 414 00:54:04,060 --> 00:54:08,100 from the office: "You are the mother by Des?” 415 00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:10,900 According to her, the war follows me everywhere. 416 00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:13,500 I arrived in Indonesia and 417 00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:15,940 2 months later, Suharto resigned. 418 00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:18,580 A conflagration, thousands died. 419 00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:21,860 She called me: "See? Barely 420 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,060 you are here, look what's happening." 421 00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:38,220 There is enormous competition. 422 00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:41,420 We want the pictures the most dramatic. 423 00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:45,020 Many colleagues 424 00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:49,220 proceed in a very brutal manner, 425 00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:52,060 they want to be sure of having the worst. 426 00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,580 Some never help, they say: 427 00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:58,580 "I'm a reporter, therefore not concerned." 428 00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:02,060 I say yes. Many among us 429 00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:05,580 would rejoice to see die this man 430 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,700 to have precisely this image. 431 00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:11,380 Somewhere, 432 00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:14,220 It’s a sick job. 433 00:55:48,020 --> 00:55:51,100 I don't know why we do this profession. 434 00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:27,980 What does the radio say? Is everything calm? 435 00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:31,420 You receive all the stations at Jakarta? 436 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:34,980 Yes, all of them. - Nothing happening? O.K. 437 00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:18,420 One week after the clashes 438 00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:21,700 between students and the army, 439 00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:26,380 Jim called me one Sunday at 10 a.m.: 440 00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:30,180 “Be careful, something is happening. 441 00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:32,900 A church is burning. People are outside, 442 00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:35,460 with sabers, machetes... 443 00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:37,860 Something serious is going to happen." 444 00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:39,500 Half an hour later, 445 00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:42,020 they had caught 3 Ambonese 446 00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:44,420 whom they killed on the spot 447 00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:46,980 and slashed with sabres. 448 00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:49,940 They were chasing the fourth 449 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:51,820 through the streets. 450 00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:56,500 Jim almost followed the whole chase. 451 00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:59,860 He has photos black and white of this type 452 00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:02,220 chased by a pack wild, 453 00:59:02,660 --> 00:59:03,700 covered in blood. 454 00:59:16,780 --> 00:59:18,940 They had fun torturing him, 455 00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:22,380 like children with an animal. 456 00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:34,500 Jim got down on his knees three times 457 00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:36,820 and begged them: 458 00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:39,860 “There is no reason to kill him! 459 00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:43,060 Just because he is Ambonese!” 460 00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,660 They killed him anyway. 461 00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:49,020 He begged them for 20 minutes on your knees: 462 00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:52,020 “Please don’t kill him!” 463 01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:10,860 When it gets serious, brutal like that, 464 01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:14,060 many colleagues turn away. 465 01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:16,540 To protect yourself, but also 466 01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:18,780 because instinctively, we say: 467 01:00:19,220 --> 01:00:20,460 “It’s none of my business!” 468 01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:23,580 Jim is still in full swing inside. 469 01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:26,620 He's concerned, don't stay away. 470 01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:29,660 His photos show it. This is why 471 01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,700 he got down on his knees, in the middle of them. 472 01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:36,860 Friends of mine were there too. 473 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:40,060 But not next to the guy. They were 474 01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:42,820 on a bridge or in a building, 475 01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:45,060 and photographed from a distance. 476 01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:49,340 When it gets touching, personal, 477 01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:52,140 It's Jim. 478 01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:40,940 This is very important: 479 01:01:42,940 --> 01:01:46,100 stay centered within yourself. 480 01:01:49,220 --> 01:01:51,020 It is often necessary to take 481 01:01:51,460 --> 01:01:54,140 very important decisions quickly. 482 01:01:55,180 --> 01:01:57,580 You have to stay calm, 483 01:01:58,020 --> 01:01:59,940 never give in to panic. 484 01:02:00,380 --> 01:02:02,620 These are elementary things, 485 01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:05,900 perhaps there is no point in talking about it. 486 01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:11,140 I'm just trying 487 01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:15,380 to concentrate on the situations 488 01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:17,820 that I will have to face, 489 01:02:18,260 --> 01:02:21,020 I analyze them in my head. 490 01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:23,180 It's quite subconscious, 491 01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:26,820 this way of preparing myself mentally. 492 01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:06,700 Allah is great! 493 01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:15,980 Every situation is different. 494 01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:18,940 And each of them involves 495 01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:23,300 to relearn everything every time. 496 01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:27,740 Instinct plays a role, but also know it, 497 01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:30,860 absorbing information. 498 01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:35,620 We come to an understanding intuitive 499 01:05:36,060 --> 01:05:37,780 events. 500 01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:38,820 Fear is not important... 501 01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:43,460 The important thing, It’s how you manage it. 502 01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:47,140 Ask a marathon runner if he is in pain: 503 01:06:47,580 --> 01:06:51,700 obviously. But how does he manage it? 504 01:06:53,860 --> 01:06:57,140 The risk is permanent, for everyone. 505 01:07:07,420 --> 01:07:10,620 We all know it: it can happen, 506 01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:13,900 at each outing that we do, every day. 507 01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:16,460 We know what we are exposing ourselves to, 508 01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:19,100 it's part of the job. 509 01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:21,380 We know it from the start. 510 01:07:23,620 --> 01:07:26,540 Nobody complains, it's part 511 01:07:27,660 --> 01:07:28,620 of the profession. 512 01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:34,900 You are on the right track. 513 01:09:47,420 --> 01:09:50,620 Nachtwey’s photos have in my opinion the 514 01:09:51,060 --> 01:09:53,580 precision of a surgeon of the war. 515 01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:57,900 He doesn't like this at all comparison, 516 01:09:58,340 --> 01:10:00,900 because indeed, people say to themselves: 517 01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:03,940 "A surgeon... He’s heartless.” 518 01:10:04,380 --> 01:10:07,300 There's a hint of light too much 519 01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:11,340 to show all the dramatic. 520 01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:14,740 I could also 521 01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:18,300 lighten the contour of the head. 522 01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:21,940 Yes, and maybe also this part. 523 01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:24,380 When you darken everything, 524 01:10:24,820 --> 01:10:26,580 leave this place as it is, 525 01:10:27,020 --> 01:10:29,060 it should not be darker. 526 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:32,300 He is rigorous in his way to approach 527 01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:34,780 people like situations. 528 01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:38,940 It's this old-fashioned side, 529 01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:42,540 classic. But that's what also makes 530 01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:45,580 its originality and fascination. 531 01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:48,740 O.K... - I agree, thank you. 532 01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:50,420 Good luck. 533 01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:17,420 It looks pretty good. - Very good idea! 534 01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:20,940 We can discern better destruction. 535 01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,580 Could you darken again the sky? 536 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:27,260 Of course. 537 01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:39,260 It looks very, very good... 538 01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:42,260 I would give it a try again, 539 01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:47,820 by insisting even more on the sky. 540 01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:57,780 Do you see what I mean? 541 01:11:58,420 --> 01:12:00,580 The sky makes all the difference. 542 01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:07,500 I think I did well half 543 01:12:07,940 --> 01:12:10,540 of my career in Africa. 544 01:12:10,980 --> 01:12:13,660 In one context or another. 545 01:12:15,820 --> 01:12:18,100 One of these contexts, 546 01:12:18,660 --> 01:12:20,820 certainly the most tragic, 547 01:12:21,260 --> 01:12:23,500 the most destructive are the famines. 548 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:36,140 Originally, these famines were 549 01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:38,860 a product of war. 550 01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:44,500 They are the oldest instrument 551 01:12:44,940 --> 01:12:47,340 of mass extermination. 552 01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:49,540 It's very primitive... 553 01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:52,980 and very effective. 554 01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:09,740 You should know that most 555 01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:12,980 of these images of famine are taken 556 01:13:13,420 --> 01:13:16,220 in feeding centers, 557 01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:20,020 so where we sent food. 558 01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:23,100 We do not photograph people 559 01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:25,700 dying of starvation without helping them. 560 01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:29,060 We don't turn to them the back. 561 01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:46,700 It's getting harder and harder 562 01:13:47,140 --> 01:13:51,180 to publish serious themes. 563 01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:53,060 It's... 564 01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:58,220 In recent years, 565 01:13:58,660 --> 01:14:01,660 it's even become even more difficult. 566 01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:05,420 Because our society is obsessed with 567 01:14:05,860 --> 01:14:10,180 show business, stars and fashion. 568 01:14:14,740 --> 01:14:16,980 Advertisers are fed up 569 01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:20,460 to see their products placed 570 01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:23,340 next to images of tragedies human. 571 01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:28,500 This hurts their turnover. 572 01:14:37,420 --> 01:14:41,100 I take my photos for the mass media. 573 01:14:43,860 --> 01:14:47,460 My intention is not that we the ways 574 01:14:48,380 --> 01:14:49,940 like art objects. 575 01:14:50,380 --> 01:14:52,580 They are a form of communication. 576 01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:04,580 When my work results in result, 577 01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:06,540 I'm happy. 578 01:15:06,980 --> 01:15:09,980 But there is still so much to do. 579 01:15:10,420 --> 01:15:13,580 I don't feel like I have finished 580 01:15:14,020 --> 01:15:16,580 and am not really satisfied. 581 01:15:21,220 --> 01:15:23,180 Nor really “happy” either, 582 01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:25,500 because it is always 583 01:15:25,940 --> 01:15:28,460 of tragedy and misfortune of others. 584 01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:31,900 At best, it's a satisfaction bitter 585 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:35,300 because perhaps I attracted 586 01:15:35,740 --> 01:15:39,180 people's attention to these problems. 587 01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:43,860 I may have triggered something, 588 01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:47,500 but it's like sand moving. 589 01:15:52,940 --> 01:15:54,620 Where did you photograph this? 590 01:15:55,060 --> 01:15:56,700 In many places... 591 01:15:57,140 --> 01:15:59,780 The inmates were in Alabama, 592 01:16:00,540 --> 01:16:02,900 and the police, in New Orleans, 593 01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:06,300 but also New York and Los Angeles. 594 01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:11,460 This wall is powerful, 595 01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:13,660 because it concerns us: 596 01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:15,540 violence in the USA... 597 01:16:15,980 --> 01:16:18,140 Injustice is everywhere the world, 598 01:16:18,580 --> 01:16:20,620 we too have our problems. 599 01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:22,260 Quite. 600 01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:25,860 We work until the last minute! 601 01:17:29,660 --> 01:17:32,340 The show is about to begin! 20 years... 602 01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:43,900 How do you feel? 603 01:17:44,340 --> 01:17:45,900 You said you were tired. 604 01:17:46,340 --> 01:17:48,140 I am, yes. 605 01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:50,300 A little traumatized by all this... 606 01:17:50,740 --> 01:17:52,940 But happy too, finally it's... 607 01:17:53,380 --> 01:17:56,260 I talked too much, actually. 608 01:17:56,700 --> 01:17:59,020 I have nothing more to say. 609 01:17:59,460 --> 01:18:02,100 You helped me a lot throughout. 610 01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:05,380 When it's over, 611 01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:07,580 on the way to the sierra! 612 01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:15,380 We've known each other since middle school. 613 01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:18,940 We were young, full of energy, 614 01:18:21,260 --> 01:18:23,220 and try to find our vocation. 615 01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:25,740 You spent a lot there of time... 616 01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:29,060 months, you know it well. - 20 years! 617 01:18:31,940 --> 01:18:33,180 He won for the third time 618 01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:36,580 the "ICP Infinity Award", 619 01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:38,860 five times the Robert Capa Prize, and 620 01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:41,140 several times the “Picture of the Year.” 621 01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:43,580 The pleasure is mine, Jim Nachtwey! 622 01:18:51,380 --> 01:18:55,340 I was young, a beginner, impatient, 623 01:18:56,340 --> 01:19:00,420 I was thirsty for adventure and travel... 624 01:19:01,420 --> 01:19:02,820 Over the years, 625 01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:06,780 my real intention became clearer. 626 01:19:07,780 --> 01:19:09,580 The people I photographed 627 01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:12,740 have become good more important... 628 01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:18,420 than myself. 629 01:19:18,860 --> 01:19:21,540 According to him, good will eventually take it away 630 01:19:21,980 --> 01:19:24,460 about evil, ultimately. 631 01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:28,100 To think that gives him strength 632 01:19:28,540 --> 01:19:30,620 and the courage to continue. 633 01:19:32,220 --> 01:19:34,180 His optimism prevents him 634 01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:36,340 to become cynical. 635 01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:39,820 It would kill him, if he started to doubt 636 01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:43,020 of the meaning of his work, to say to himself 637 01:19:43,460 --> 01:19:45,580 that the wars will never stop never. 638 01:20:11,740 --> 01:20:13,460 The question for Jim is: 639 01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:16,060 will he find the moment to stop? 640 01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:18,660 In this profession, we are rarely aged. 641 01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:20,780 Not without reason. 642 01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:23,940 What will Jim do, if he has the chance? 643 01:20:24,380 --> 01:20:27,300 to survive the horrors of this work? 644 01:20:27,740 --> 01:20:29,460 He was injured 4 or 5 times, 645 01:20:29,900 --> 01:20:31,460 had serious illnesses 646 01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:35,060 and serious psychological problems. 647 01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:41,140 How do you control your emotions? 648 01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:43,660 Because I have to. 649 01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:47,220 Go there to collapse then 650 01:20:47,660 --> 01:20:49,060 would make no sense. 651 01:20:49,500 --> 01:20:52,180 I channel emotion into the work. 652 01:20:52,820 --> 01:20:54,780 All I feel: anger, 653 01:20:55,220 --> 01:20:58,140 frustration, disbelief, sadness... 654 01:20:58,580 --> 01:21:00,580 I channel it into my photos. 655 01:21:03,980 --> 01:21:06,460 He never had the chance 656 01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:09,420 to lead a normal life. 657 01:21:09,860 --> 01:21:10,820 A family, 658 01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:13,860 a stable and romantic home, 659 01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:16,660 he never knew all that. 660 01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,540 He sacrificed everything for his job. 661 01:21:43,740 --> 01:21:46,220 It's harder to confront people 662 01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:51,220 on serious themes, to images that 663 01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:54,820 force them to see reality in front, 664 01:21:55,260 --> 01:21:58,340 to get involved in this reality. 665 01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:01,500 To feel concerned by something 666 01:22:01,940 --> 01:22:04,620 much more important than us. 667 01:22:05,460 --> 01:22:07,580 And I think they are concerned. 668 01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:10,260 I believe that the publishers, very often, 669 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:15,140 underestimate their readers about this. 670 01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:48,820 Because in the end, 671 01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:51,860 people actually want know 672 01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:55,020 when a tragic event occurs, 673 01:22:55,460 --> 01:22:57,540 when something... 674 01:22:58,740 --> 01:23:01,260 unacceptable is happening in this world. 675 01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:03,980 And they want us to react. 676 01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:07,340 That's what I believe. 677 01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:14,900 “May 22. Dear Mr. Nachtwey, 678 01:23:15,340 --> 01:23:17,980 I read the family history Sumarno 679 01:23:18,420 --> 01:23:20,460 and can't find peace since then. 680 01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:22,900 Torment and deprivation endured 681 01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:25,300 by this family are inconceivable to me. 682 01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:27,180 I only have 683 01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:32,020 396 dollars in social assistance per month, 684 01:23:32,780 --> 01:23:35,660 but I will send 20 dollars per month 685 01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:38,540 to these people, as long as I can.” 686 01:23:41,180 --> 01:23:44,780 We need to see things in front! 687 01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:48,140 And do something. 688 01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:58,900 If not us, who will? 689 01:24:11,940 --> 01:24:13,940 Do I earn my living 690 01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:16,660 with the suffering of others? 691 01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:21,140 Their pain and distress 692 01:24:22,540 --> 01:24:25,620 were they the artisans of my success? 693 01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:29,780 Am I a profiteer? 694 01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:34,540 Am I the vampire on the camera photo? 695 01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:18,740 Why photograph war? 696 01:27:20,020 --> 01:27:21,620 Is it possible, 697 01:27:22,060 --> 01:27:24,340 through photography, 698 01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:27,020 to eliminate a behavior human 699 01:27:27,460 --> 01:27:29,740 which has existed throughout history? 700 01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:33,580 This idea may seem ridiculous 701 01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:35,620 in its proportions. 702 01:27:36,060 --> 01:27:38,660 But this is precisely what motivates me. 703 01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:45,620 For me, the strength of photography 704 01:27:46,060 --> 01:27:49,460 resides in his faculties human. 705 01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:52,980 If war tends to destroy humanity, 706 01:27:53,420 --> 01:27:55,580 we can conceive of the photography 707 01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:58,860 like the negation of war. So, 708 01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:01,300 as a powerful ingredient 709 01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:03,940 in the antidote to war. 710 01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:13,460 When someone assumes the risk of going 711 01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:17,540 at the heart of a war for communicate 712 01:28:17,980 --> 01:28:20,540 to the rest of the world what is happening there, 713 01:28:21,060 --> 01:28:23,860 so he tries to negotiate peace. 714 01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:27,740 This perhaps explains that the leaders 715 01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:30,500 of war do not like photographers. 716 01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:39,220 What we experience on the eastern front 717 01:28:39,660 --> 01:28:41,220 extremely direct. 718 01:28:41,660 --> 01:28:44,220 This is not the photo of a magazine, 719 01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:46,340 16,000 km away, 720 01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:50,020 next to an ad for Rolex watches. 721 01:28:51,420 --> 01:28:54,020 It is the image of an extreme suffering, 722 01:28:54,460 --> 01:28:56,700 injustice and distress. 723 01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:59,820 If everyone could see with their eyes, 724 01:29:00,260 --> 01:29:03,460 at least once, what phosphorus 725 01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:06,820 white made with face of a child, 726 01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:09,260 the unspeakable pain caused 727 01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:11,660 by the impact of a single bullet, 728 01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:13,860 how does a shrapnel 729 01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:16,260 rips your leg off. 730 01:29:16,700 --> 01:29:19,860 If everyone could live this fear 731 01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:24,060 at least once, they would understand 732 01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:26,700 that nothing justifies 733 01:29:27,140 --> 01:29:29,460 to inflict such things to a man, 734 01:29:29,900 --> 01:29:31,900 and even less to thousands. 735 01:29:39,140 --> 01:29:41,700 But everyone can't be there. 736 01:29:42,140 --> 01:29:44,140 It's up to the photographers to go there, 737 01:29:44,580 --> 01:29:46,500 to show these men, 738 01:29:46,940 --> 01:29:49,700 stop them, and to lend be careful 739 01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:52,020 to what is happening there. 740 01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:54,700 Create pretty images powerful 741 01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:57,700 to counter the diluting effect media, 742 01:29:58,140 --> 01:29:59,980 bring people out of indifference. 743 01:30:00,420 --> 01:30:01,700 To protest 744 01:30:02,140 --> 01:30:05,580 and thus bring others to protest. 745 01:30:06,020 --> 01:30:08,860 It's causing you problems health? 746 01:30:19,940 --> 01:30:23,300 They sometimes cough at work... 747 01:30:23,740 --> 01:30:27,220 But Suhara then gives them a remedy, 748 01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:31,020 milk with green porridge, 749 01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:32,820 and everything is fine. 750 01:32:30,460 --> 01:32:32,060 THANKS ! 751 01:33:09,460 --> 01:33:12,140 The worst is that as photographer, 752 01:33:12,580 --> 01:33:15,540 I profit from the misfortune of others. 753 01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:18,580 This idea haunts me. 754 01:33:19,740 --> 01:33:23,180 Each day. Because I know that 755 01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:26,180 if my ambition and my career had to 756 01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:29,500 take it one day over my compassion, 757 01:33:29,940 --> 01:33:32,420 I will have sold my soul. 758 01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:37,460 I can't justify my job 759 01:33:37,900 --> 01:33:40,260 only by respecting those who suffer. 760 01:33:40,780 --> 01:33:42,660 It is this respect that makes 761 01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:46,100 that I am accepted by the other, 762 01:33:46,540 --> 01:33:49,500 and can thus accept me myself.